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The Chair referred Members present to agenda Item 1 as shown on the agenda in respect of filming at this meeting, and Members noted the information contained therein’.


Apologies for absence

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Apologies for absence were received from Cllr Mike Hakata.


Items of Urgent Business

The Chair will consider the admission of any late items of urgent business (late items will be considered under the agenda item where they appear. New items will be dealt with as noted below).

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Declarations of Interest

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Cllr Pippa Connor declared an interest by virtue of her membership of the Royal College of Nursing.


Cllr Pippa Connor declared an interest by virtue of her sister working as a GP in Tottenham.



Deputations/Petitions/ Presentations/ Questions

To consider any requests received in accordance with Part 4, Section B, Paragraph 29 of the Council’s Constitution.

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Minutes pdf icon PDF 111 KB

To approve the minutes of the previous meeting.

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With regards to action points from the previous meeting, Cllr Connor referred to the Active Travel in Haringey briefing which she said was a really useful summary of policies and strategies in this area. She noted that there were quite a few initiatives mentioned in the briefing that were planned or currently in progress so it would be useful for the Panel to receive an update in around 6 months time. Will Maimaris, Director for Public Health, said that this would be possible but suggested that an update in around 9-12 months would be more appropriate due to the likely timescales involved with the initiatives. (ACTION)


The accuracy of the minutes from the previous meeting was then agreed.


AGREED: That the minutes of the meeting held on 20th June 2019 be approved as an accurate record.



Budget overview pdf icon PDF 312 KB

To provide an overview of the financial performance of the services within Priority 2 (Enable adults to live healthy, long and fulfilling lives) as at the end of quarter 1, 2019/20.

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Paul Durrant, Head of Finance for People, and Sandra Robb, Adults and Health Business Partner, presented an overview to the Panel of the financial performance of the services within Priority 2 (Enable adults to live healthy, long and fulfilling lives) as at the end of Quarter 1 of 2019/20.


Paul Durrant reported that there was currently a projected overspend of £3.6m which comprises of overspends of:

  • £2.9m on adult social care
  • £0.3m on Public Health
  • £0.4m on Commissioning


The overspend in adult social care includes a £2.7m overspend on care packages which is an overachievement on the expected £3.9m overspend for this area once the net savings and growth have been applied. The £2.7m overspend is broken down as follows:

  • £1.7m on Adult Placements
  • £0.6m on Learning Disabilities Placements
  • £0.4m on Mental Health Placements


The overspend on Osborne Grove Nursing Home was projected to be £0.2m. Although an additional £0.3m had been provided for this in the current financial year, delays in the consultation on the staffing structure have still resulted in the overall projected overspend.


The £0.4m projected overspend on Commissioning was due mainly to salaries and a savings objective which has not been achieved.


The £0.3m projected overspend on Public Health was due mainly to budget setting with some service charges being higher than anticipated.


Priority 2 has a capital budget of £8.6m divided over ten projects as set out in Appendix 3:

  • Though project 208 (on supported living schemes) is currently showing zero spend for 2019/20, some spend is expected to be brought forward in year at some point and in the next financial year. This is because there has been other activity on the Linden House adaptation and on Canning Crescent assisted living (also shown in Appendix 3). Further programmes on supported living are being worked up, these just need to be programmed into the budget when possible.
  • On project 209 (on assistive technology) there has been a pause in the delivery model and an update is expected in Quarter 2.
  • On project 213 (on Canning Crescent assisted living) following the initial feasibility, architects are being appointed and moving forward to RIBA Stage 2 Concept Design and RIBA Stage 3 Developed Design by Spring next year. If there is slippage in 2019/20 then the capital budget can be carried forward to the following year.
  • On project 215 (on Hornsey Town Hall supported living) this is now being funded through the Housing Revenue Account.


Asked about the expected capital spend on project 207 (new day opportunities offer), Charlotte Pomery, Assistant Director for Commissioning, said that there is a figure set aside (which is larger than the one shown in Appendix 3) to bring back into use the two properties in Waltheof Gardens. The capital outlay will be spent this year. Further spending in future years has not yet been identified and is not in the budget spreadsheet but she said that this is not necessarily reflective of wider ambitions and doesn’t mean that there won’t be  ...  view the full minutes text for item 19.


Prevention and early intervention pdf icon PDF 1 MB

A presentation and discussion for Panel Members on prevention and early intervention. An evaluation report on Local Area Coordination is provided for background information.

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Rochelle Jamieson, Head of Strategy – People, and Andrea Wershof, Local Area Coordinator, introduced this item with a presentation on early intervention and prevention in Haringey which included the following points:

  • That services are geared to solve problems for people and that solutions are based on what would work best from the services available.
  • The approach aims to intervene to enable people to access help at an earlier stage and stay as independent as possible.
  • The feedback from residents is consistently that they want help to prevent things from going wrong, they want to be involved in helping to shape services and they want services to be well joined up and for any long-term support to be holistic when needed.
  • Other suggestions from residents have included:

o   That there needs to be a care navigator to help people access the internet and available services.

o   That services need to be close to people as it can be difficult for people with mobility issues to travel far.

o   That older people want to stay in their own home for as long as possible and have a better quality of life rather than live in a residential care home.

  • A critical part of the approach is providing information, support and guidance and developing a network of options to provide people with the support that they need. The aim is to create an environment that enables and empowers all residents to live well and achieve their potential including by helping people to find their own solutions.
  • There are no access criteria for the early intervention and prevention service and this prevents the need for people to ‘jump through hoops’ before they can get access to help.
  • The different levels of intervention were displayed in one slide as a “care cone” with four levels:

o   Keeping people healthy, safe and well through public health services.

o   Early intervention and prevention to provide a network of options to help people.

o   Care and support through coordinated multi-agency teams.

o   Specialist/emergency, including specialist palliative care.

  • The Local Area Coordinator role was described as person-centric because it aims to be led by the residents including those who are needy and may have felt disenfranchised previously. By being on their side it can be transformative for someone who is on their own and by helping to connect them with various types of support it can help them to achieve their vision of a ‘good life’. Examples were given including helping an isolated individual with learning disabilities through his re-housing assessment process after his parents had died.


Will Maimaris, Director of Public Health, advised the Panel that there are currently just two Local Area Coordinators covering Hornsey and Northumberland Park but there are plans in place to expand the programme with an additional four to operate mainly in the east of the borough.


In response to questions from the Panel, Will Maimaris, Rochelle Jamieson and Andrea Wershof said:


Osborne Grove update pdf icon PDF 561 KB

To provide Panel Members with the opportunity to ask questions about the report on the Osborne Grove Nursing Home Feasibility Study which was originally published with the agenda papers for the meeting of Cabinet on 9th July 2019.

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Charlotte Pomery, Assistant Director for Commissioning, introduced this item noting that the report in the agenda pack had previously been provided to the Cabinet in July 2019 with the recommendations in section 3 that were approved. Work is now ongoing to delivery Option 4 from the feasibility study, which is for the demolition of the current building and to build a 70-bedroom nursing home on the site. This option also provides for the delivery of additional services for older people on site which are aligned to nursing care. Further details about the next stages will be shared with stakeholders in the autumn and again in January. The opening of the new nursing home is anticipated in 2022.


In response to questions from the Panel, Charlotte Pomery said:

  • The costings for the four options are given in paragraph 6.36 of the report and are approximately in the £20-30m range. The previous figures for estimated costs given last year were significantly lower as they were based on some initial high-level intermediate work to estimate the likely costs. The detailed work that was subsequently carried out was based on a whole new set of requirements and factored in different use types, high-spec environmental sustainability, the layout of the building and a future-proofed building.
  • The Council needs to account for the significant amount of borrowing and the cost associated with that. The table in paragraph of the report sets out the calculations for the overall savings for each of the various options once these costs have been accounted for based on an expected asset life of 45 years.
  • The additional consultation with stakeholders from the autumn will be to consider more detailed designs as this was not in the remit of the feasibility study. The stakeholders are expected to remain involved all the way throughout the project up to, and probably also after, the opening of the new nursing home.
  • Having a 70-bed capacity makes the new nursing home more economically viable while the environmental standards and the more flexible use of the rooms make it a more cost effective home to run.
  • A paper on the consultation would be going to Cabinet in September for a decision.
  • The feasibility study itself is a large document and had not been circulated to Members. Any Members interested in viewing the document could do so at River Park House by contacting Charlotte Pomery.



Dates of Future Meetings

·  14th Nov 2019 (6:30pm)

·  12th Dec 2019 (6:30pm)

·  25th Feb 2020 (6:30pm)

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·         6th Jan 2020 (6:30pm)

·         25th Feb 2020 (6:30pm)