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Agenda and minutes

Venue: Civic Centre, High Road, Wood Green, N22 8LE

Contact: Dominic O'Brien, Principal Scrutiny Officer 

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The Chair referred Members present to agenda Item 1 as shown on the agenda in respect of filming at this meeting, and Members noted the information contained therein’.


Apologies for absence


Apologies for absence had been received from Cllr Felicia Opoku, Cllr Yvonne Say and co-opted member, Helena Kania.



Items of Urgent Business

The Chair will consider the admission of any late items of urgent business (late items will be considered under the agenda item where they appear. New items will be dealt with as noted below).




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becomes apparent, and


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Deputations/Petitions/ Presentations/ Questions

To consider any requests received in accordance with Part 4, Section B, Paragraph 29 of the Council’s Constitution.





Minutes pdf icon PDF 234 KB

To approve the minutes of the previous meeting.


In relation to the action points from the minutes of the meeting held on 1st November 2018, Cllr Connor confirmed that she had written to Cllr Charles Adje, Cabinet Member for Strategic Regeneration and Cllr Emine Ibrahim, Cabinet Member for Housing & Estate Renewal regarding suicide prevention and the construction industry. She had also raised the issue of suicide prevention at the Joint Health Overview & Scrutiny Committee for the NCL area which had discussed the peer-to-peer support app for 10-16 year olds, known as Kooth. The app was quite expensive however, so the cost may be more usefully discussed across the whole five-borough area.

Charlotte Pomery, Assistant Director for Commissioning, noted that Kooth had presented to the CAMHS Transformation Board earlier that day and had been well supported so options for funding and implementation were being considered. 

Details on action points on mental health training, safeguarding data and the Priority 2 budget position for Quarter 1 of 2018/19 would be circulated to panel members shortly.

AGREED: That the minutes of the Adults & Health Scrutiny Panel meeting held on 1st November 2018 be approved as an accurate record.


Scrutiny of the 2019/20 Draft Budget / 5 Year Medium Term Financial Strategy (2019/20 - 2023/24) pdf icon PDF 259 KB

For the Panel to consider and provide recommendations to the Overview and Scrutiny Committee on the 2019-20 Draft Budget and on the MTFS 2019/20 – 2023/24 and savings proposals relating to the Panel’s remit.

Additional documents:


Paul Durrant, Senior Business Partner, introduced the report on the 2019/20 Draft Budget, the Medium Term Financial Strategy (MTFS) for 2019/20 to 2023/24 and the savings proposals that relate to the Scrutiny Panels’ remit. Scrutiny panel recommendations would be referred to the Overview & Scrutiny Committee for discussion on 28th January, then referred to Cabinet for discussion on 12th February with final proposals put forward for consideration of Full Council on 25th February.

The report refers to £6.5m of additional budget reductions for 2019/20 that are required on top of the £7m of budget reductions for 2019/20 already submitted to the four scrutiny panels. However, following the finalisation of the funding settlement this figure has reduced to £5.2m. Cllr Patrick Berryman, Cabinet Member for Finance, said that work was ongoing on how to resolve this £5.2m gap and present a balanced budget ahead of the Cabinet meeting in February.

The budget reduction proposals for Adult Services total £3.624m over five years. £2m of these were proposed for 2019/20, a further £1.049m in 2020/21, £195k in 2021/22, £280k in 2022/23 and £100k in 2023/24.

Asked about the previously identified savings Beverley Tarka, Director of Adults & Health, said that in the 2018/19 MTFS there had been a £2.4m savings target for 2019/20 based on demand management. An authorisation panel, chaired by either Beverley Tarka or John Everson, had been put in place to oversee care purchasing spend and ensure that the best outcomes and value for money were being obtained. The £2m of new savings for 2019/20 set out in the report is in addition to this £2.4m savings target.

John Everson, Assistant Director for Adults, introduced each of the budget reduction proposals for Priority 2. Questions from the panel members were responded to by Cllr Patrick Berryman, Beverley Tarka, Charlotte Pomery, John Everson and Paul Durrant.

PA1 - Charging for Managed Accounts


This proposal involves:

  • introducing a new administration fee when the Council acts as an Appointee (managing benefits on behalf of someone who cannot manage their own affairs, for example because they lack capacity)
  • introducing a new charge for people who fund their own care but choose to have their care package managed by the Council.

Panel members expressed concerns that those requiring an Appointeeship are likely to be the poorest and most vulnerable and queried whether this measure would be fair or equitable. Panel members observed that savings of £70,000 across 200 people identified under this proposal averaged an annual charge of £350 per person.

The panel was informed that the Equalities Impact Assessment was the tool used to identify these potential inequalities and to mitigate this and ensure that groups with protected characteristics are not disadvantaged. There are a number of people supported through an Appointeeship who do have significant funds so are not all necessarily among the poorest. People’s ability to pay will be assessed and legislative guidance applies to how these charges are levied. It was confirmed that clients paying the charge  ...  view the full minutes text for item 32.


New Items of Urgent Business

To consider any items admitted at item 3 above.




Dates of Future Meetings


·         29th January 2019

·         4th March 2019

·         19th March 2019 (Provisional Joint Meeting with Children & Young People’s Scrutiny Panel)